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JC Decaux did it wrongly charged your deposit (150 €)?
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charged me the 150 € deposit, while I have not managed to remove the Vélov who was trapped in his Bornet.
Reason: "bike badly hung up" when I have not even managed to remove it!
In their letter, JC Decaux says:
- Removing the bike No. 8226 on 17/03/2010 at 1:07
- From 17/03/2010 1:08 17/03/2010 at 1:48 Incident detected bike badly hung
- Bike stolen on 17/03/2010 at 1:48

According to this survey data supplied by JC Decaux, it proves that I could not remove the bike (since the leasing lasted only from 1:07 to 1:08, which corresponds to 60 seconds allotted to get the bike). But no, for JC Decaux,
is alleged bad faith of the user who prevails
and
the ' infallibility of their computer system posited absolute .

Véloveurs! attention, sooner or later you'll be facing this kind of problem. I feel sorry for the passing tourists who have taken a short-term subscription on their CB.
Living Lyon, I will have the patience to pursue the legal proceedings end. Be aware that a statement from the office of the District Court of Lyon (Civil Jurisdiction Near) is a procedure requiring no FREE lawyer.
If a large number of statements are filed at the Registry, it might encourage JC Decaux to improve the reliability of its computer system.
For now, he has no interest in doing so, since it is a source of earnings, the collection of bonds is much more juicy than 1 / 2 hours of free rent.
I am assured that the bike was not recovered, but I have no way to verify that equipment this bike was not in fact returned to their fleet (over 4 000 bike, on 345 stations ) . So they may well win on the 2 tables: pocket the bond without having "lost" bike. An example is given here .
A case similar to mine has been resolved in favor of Velib users by the Ombudsman of Ville de Paris , which imposed a full refund of the deposit: see extract (1 page) the 2009 report of the Ombudsman of the City of Paris (I've highlighted the relevant passages).

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A case similar to mine, on a Velib (Paris)

A case similar to mine, found on this link (how No. 18) suffered by a user of Velib (Paris):

Hello everyone, I

I seem to hold the palm, with an unsuccessful attempt to remove a bicycle around midnight, ending with a red light even before removing the bike ... which would then miraculously won and was borrowed forever by a malicious third party. I am ready to follow all the procedures for surrender of a bike ... but I do charge 150 euros for a bike ever removed, then I think we reached the summit. Thank

JC, kudos to the City of Paris (which also employs me) to endorse such a wonderful system. After a bike it makes sense disappears, it must be someone ... take damage whatsoever that pays his subscription and uses the service Velib 'to go daily to his work. If someone

knows a more effective remedy than the outrageous pseudo commercial service Vélib (consumer association or otherwise), he does not hesitate to show me here.

How I hurt for 150 euros - November 26, 2008 @ 23:50

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Another similar case, a Velo'v

A similar misfortune experienced by a Vélo'veur Lyon, luckiest me, because its security has not been charged, but that speaks volumes about the attitude adopted by JC Decaux on the reliability problems of its computer system (in Win $ ows!): it is the end user who pays always pots broken failures system, which is always found guilty and bad faith :

Hello,
The same misfortune happened to me 2 years ago: I have not managed to get the bike.
The most annoying in this case is that for convenience, the user even in good faith is presumed guilty .

And yet I have not been idle ...
I really felt dirty trick, I tried calling vélo'v but guess what: it was more than 20 hours, impossible to contact anyone.
I had to take the bus in the process, I carefully kept the ticket on which one can see the line and time stamp - which I subsequently sent to vélo'v.

Velo'v In the computer system, it was clearly marked as vélo'v I tried to take over the terminal remained roughly from 20:45 to 1:30 in the morning, at which time he was captured ... according Vélo'v: of course by me - I have hanging around 4am before I say TFW should go now, children?

The next morning, I was able to reach customer service. Following this call, they were not exceptionally me take my deposit on, and search bike and if they find him, he did not want anything back.

I can not count the number of calls, each time the same old story. With sometimes comical remarks: * When
vélo'v status are "badly hung," yes there is a warning. But you know sir, there are problems in all stations, not enough people to handle it is like this.
* You have failed to pick up the bike? But you know, there is yet a simple and well known thieves who manage to get even locked - by the way, I asked about this technique to save me from future conflicts, but no answer
* After 4 or 5 strokes son, they told me they saw that the bike was much remained to terminal 4h, but he was still under my responsibility
* After a dozen strokes son, they said maybe they could not take that famous bail if I filed a complaint for theft - I'll spare you the details of this step in the police, I I make the feet and hands to agree to record my statement, for stealing a bike that was not mine ... I

parallel vélo'v contacted in writing, the great lyon etc ... but to no avail: the bike was under my responsibility, apart from a refund in good and due form, no hello.

history has ended with a letter, one month and a half later, JCDecaux, which taught me to have found the vélo'v. And thanks to this (and only this) and in their great kindness, they saved me from the imposition of bail this time, but I had to be careful because everything was clearly my fault , still .

I really learned the lesson, and now I save myself any trouble by not taking more vélo'v.

Still

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Other testimony ... and immediate reporting to No. green solves nothing

a case of bike impossible to get (3rd post on the page) , and the unfortunate user is presented with a "bike during the lease," which he is responsible as long as the bug of the system in this case, the immediate appeal to the freephone number is not resolved

Subject: Re: I blame the system for submitting Vélov! Mon, January 14, 2008 - 16: 44
Hello,

Here's what happened:

Facts:

* Friday evening to go to the Part-Dieu and return by bus, I try to rent a Vélov 'to the station cook. I badge, identify myself, selects a bike ... so far so good.

* I'm heading for the bike, it beeps, I try it out: no way to move: IT IS COMPLETELY STUCK. I try a bit of everything: the push to take it again, pull in the vertical axis (up / down), nothing happens, it does not move a hair.

* I re-badge: Vélov 'during the lease: the trouble begins.

Troubles:

* Waiting a bit (> 2 min required), same message. I decide to call the server Vélov 'immediately. I choose the ad hoc service, ask to speak to an adviser: it sounds 5 times and then I get the message: all counselors are busy, so please remember ... and it hangs up. Super ... I retry several times, even fall.

* As expected the Part-Dieu, I decided to take the bus (41) to get there (I still have the ticket validated). Went there, I test on one of the stations velo'v therein: bike during the lease ...

* Having to wait a few minutes the train of my wife, I composes and redial Vélov without success (note that I shall make a refund of train tickets, so I received a CB that goes)

* I recycle my wife is coming home I retry a few times to call them, always the same ... Total Friday night, I tried to call them 10 times (orange billing support).

* Saturday, I'm not on Lyon, but I do not loose the case. I get to join them at the stroke of 11am, the counselor told me that a thief could take it, I should have trying to push in Bornet. BUT SINCE HE DID I TELL YOU NOT MOVE .... In short, it will inform the technician to see that they go there, advised me to go check the status of my card last Sunday and Monday and recalled on Monday if my card is still blocked.

* Sunday: Vélov 'in use ...

Today * Monday: Vélov 'in use ... So I'm trying since this morning and according to my ability to call taf, I just manage to reach them. Councillor I re-explained that a thief could take it, I should have trying to push in Bornet. BUT SINCE I DID NOT TELL YOU THAT MOVES (bis. ..). So she confirms that:
1. They will try to find the bike, but until my card is blocked
2. They will not withdraw my deposit right away, but if they do not find that Vélov ', they will play on the fact that I am "supposed to be my service Vélov" (sic) and so if the bike has disappeared is my fault. C'mon ...

* The highlight of the conversation:
Me: "So you're telling me that I may have to pay for the problems of reliability of your system? "
She: " Yes. "
IT GOOD TO THE WELL DESERVES TO BE CLEAR ...

My question is this:
What do you suggest I do? I do not want to pay a deposit for a rental that does not have happened.
Do you know people who it happened?

I realize that I may have to fight against windmills, but I'm kind of tough ...
Thanks for reading and thank you in advance for your advice.
Christophe

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Bike impossible to get and rent that starts: this is a recurring problem

A very recent testimony (how No. 238 of 28 May 2010) , a Velib'eur who can not get his bike and finds himself responsible for that bike.
This testimony is interesting because it raises the possibility of users malicious hackers, who managed to "freeze" a bike in his post:

I had a problem similar to yours, but in my case I n have never been able to unlock the bike: red light directly. Call directly and there I feel a little discomfort on their part, as if the problem happened regularly (is this a technical bp, or fraud of a user who successfully blocked wild the terminal of a maliciously??) . I remember some hours later when I realize that the bike was unlocked, and then the board incredible: "Wait a bit and remind us ds qq days while the bike is rested," but it does not care which of even more than that time I had not been notified that the lease was still running!
After a week I was finally told that it was best to file a handrail to the police to unblock the situation!
thing done I get an e-mail Béhault Olivier - Head of User Vélib '.
explaining that I had for 35 Eur loc and 150 Eur deposit!! Comment by

reivaks - May 28, 2010 @ 14:15

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The deposit is taken, even when the bike is solved!

From this link (6th post on the page) , the following evidence, which shows that even when the bike is found, the deposit is taken:

Subject: Re: another blow to the Mafia JCDECAUX Tues, January 26, 2010 - 23:42

Hello, I am trying to know the same bitter experience that many others obviously, I do not know if this is reassuring or disturbing.

Well, I took a Vélov 'Sunday between Part Dieu railway station and the Rhone river docks. I rest my Vélov normally the green light properly. On Tuesday evening I received a call from JC Decaux, which tells me that my Vélov was not hung up. I was advised to go to the police and I hang up, when the height of coincidence, I met a cyclist Vélov and recognizes the numbers just give me the counselor! I stopped, I have found my Vélov confirm in the street.

I hung up and contacted the Vélov toll again but this time I am told that no refund can be made. I for 150.75 € transportation while I do not have used that 15 minutes !!!!!

What? Are these my deposit + fees collected go myself? Councillor refused any refund. This flight is absolutely intolerable.

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Overbilling rental duration

This testimony (comment # 27) also demonstrates the unreliability of the timestamp refunds bicycle, resulting in unjustified billings for long durations of stay:

I read aback that I'm not the only one to ask me questions about the system.
My account has Velib found locked supposedly because I borrowed a vélib for nearly four hours on January 28. Or 19 euros to pay to settle my "discovered".

I'm formal, I expect the green light and beep etc etc. And that day I used my vélib for 15 minutes max as always to go to my work.

Coincidentally, this is the day that 1) I hang up my evil vélib, 2) I do not check?!?! I am amazed, and I can not prove anything to make me pay.

And THAT would reset themselves my bike to my place (And at the same place??)
frankly it's so weird that I wonder if there is no fraud from the system vélib . I paid my 19 euros because I like the Vélib but if it happens again I am complaining.

Comment by Celine - February 3, 2009 @ 23:01

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400 Euros collected by Velib!

A record of the amount withdrawn : nearly 400 €! (comment # 24)

me, it's even harder! I'm almost 400 euros collected by Velib. I am user Occasional since mid October and the theft of my scooter, so no subscriber. I discovered on my December statement vélib a levy of 150 euros and 19 euros. Hazing nice! I send a mail on December 10: I'm told just today (January 17) for 19 euros. Email not type I hung up my bike ... They have not been hung detected at the time that I had indicated. Restitution after 3 h00 ... As if by magic. I am indebted for 19 euros. Either. For 150 euros, no news and no mention in the mail. The same day, December statement: in 10 locations, 4 problem. Velib takes me after 4, 36, 32 and 150 euros ...! or 222 euros for December rent nice! We have to obviously, I'm hanging up my bike badly and yet I seem to do so as best practice. To whom to complain? What about the process? I am completely disillusioned.

Comment by Luizet - January 18, 2009 @ 22:43

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But what is the status of "bike badly hung"??

From this link (how No.3) this very pertinent comment on the status of a bike "badly hung "made by a Velib'eur Paris:

But what is the point of having a status of "evil hook"?
This status does absolutely nothing.
While cycling is not well hung, it is not hooked.
status "badly hung", with its red light, blocking the Vélib '. And when that happens the night after 22:00 or after 19:00 Sunday night (when no HotLine) what do we do? Why
the only important information that should be published is not?
=> when a Vélib 'has not been hung up, wait 10 minutes for to once again try to hang it and get the green light saving!
terminals and the website does not talk about those 10 minutes ... what a pity!
It is easily understood why: cut overtime and even bail of 150 € is an activity more profitable than the rental of 1 / 2 hours free!

When will the change?
Parisians, the inhabitants of the Ile de France, tourists (French and foreign) ... all may suffer the same punishment!

Comment by Nico - November 3, 2008 @ 17:40

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